### AARON/QIMAN13 REPLICA of Stan Meyer: (page created at November 2007 Update)
## Aaron Murakami (called Qiman13 on another forum) work on Stan Meyer Replication :
# Transcription of Aaron youtube video ‘Back EMF vs Collapsed Spikes’, posted September 05, 2007: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9_rvJQb2SDY
Collapsed Spike vs. Back EMF – www.EnergeticForum.com/Energy
For a coil with NORTH field at the top, wind like this:
When putting PLUS to the top and NEGATIVE to bottom, you get the NORTH field at the top
When you disconnect power, field collapses and reverses polarity.
SOUTH will then be at the TOP / NORTH will then be at the BOTTOM
During the active process of charging the coil while current is moving, LENZ LAW exhibits itself as BACK EMF
What is LENZ’s LAW?
‘The magnetic field of any induced current opposes the change that induces it’.
What is BACK EMF or CEMF (counter EMF)?
‘EMF the pushes against current which induces it, is caused by a changing electromagnetic field.’
So we see that ‘BACK EMF’ is happening DURING the ACTIVE process of charging a coil.
Here is a visualization of BACK EMF DURING the APPLIED ON PULSE.
AFTER the power to a coil is disconnected or turned OFF, the field collapses in reverse polarity causing a ‘spike’.
1. Power applied to coil and BACK EMF opposes it
THEN
2. Power is turned off anf field collapses
When the coil is being charged, the loop is CLOSED for that moment. When closed, current can flow.
When power is disconnected from coil, the loops is OPEN and when open …
Ask yourself: ‘How much CURRENT can flow when loop is open?’
Ask yourself: ‘If no current can flow, how much BACK EMF is opposing no current?’
Ask yourself: ‘If the loop is open and there is no current, how can there be any BACK EMF?’
When power is disconnected, magnetic field collapses very fast with high voltage potential and no current.
BACK EMF happens DURING application of power to charge coil. THEN, field collapses AFTER power is disconnected.
Many people tinkering in the ‘free energy’ field is often talking about the collapsed spikes as BACK EMF
Refer them to this video OR have them visit: www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy
– comment 6 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : again you are mistaken. the diagram is correct. There are 3 (THREE) flows over a wire. Pos potential moves over the coil from the + on the input source to the – on the input source. Neg potential moves over coil from – on input source to pos on input source. The electrons move from input source – direction to the + on the input source and are donated by the copper atoms in the wire itself and not from the battery.
– comment 7 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : Exactly as shown, if the wire is wrapped around the core as shown and you apply a battery as shown, you will get a NORTH field at the top and any claim to the contrary is absolutely delusional.
– comment 10 by RoadRunnerLaser (http://www.youtube.com/user/RoadRunnerLaser) : Hoo-bloody-ray !!! Flyback voltage ! Thank you.
Although, I think that most of these ‘FE experimenters’ wouldn’t know flyback voltage from back EMF from a smack in the face with a tuna ! Most people use the term back EMF without realising that they are using the wrong term even though they are really meaning flyback voltage.
# Transcription of Aaron youtube video ‘Water Fuel Cell (WFC) – conditioning the tubes’, added August 22, 2007, 4.50 minutes: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qXRMVZWrgSk
Water Fuel Cell (WFC) by Aaron Murakami ‘Conditioning the Tubes’
T304 SS Tubes, Positive (+) outside tubes ; Negative (-) inside tubes ; 1mm gap spaced w/wire insulation
Power hitting the cell is: 120Hz (pulsed DC), 4.74 Volts @ 2 Amps = 9.48 Watts
White powder coating visible on inner tubes, which are negative polarity. You must have good coating for optimum efficiency.
More info, visit … www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy
or the FREE Members Only section www.energeticforum.com/energy ; I posted schematics and other info there
White Dragon Press www.whitedragonpress.com ; Book coming soon to explain the science in simple terms
# Transcription of Aaron youtube video ‘Stan Meyer WFC Bifilar Chokes’, posted August 27, 2007: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ozpRNpM6FqM
Stan Meyer WFC ; Bifilar Choke ; Early Analysis
Everyone asks … How is the bifilar choke wound ??? And how is it connected???
You see the following in the diagrams such as in the tech brief:
That was the bare bones pic in fig 3-22 in the tech brief
You can see the chokes at the top and bottom before the cell
page 6-3 in tech brief: ‘which are axially (spiralled) Bifilar wound about core bobbin’
page 7-5 in tech brief: ‘Both Inductors (L1/L2) are Bifilar wound in equal length’
page 7-11 in tech brief:’each choke-coil (L1/L2) being of the same impedance value since both coil-wraps (56/62) are Bifilar wound together onto a single spool-bobbin.’
page 10-1 in tech brief: ‘The Amp Inhibiting Circuit (970) of Figure (10-1) as to (690) of Figure (7-8) is composed of two copper wires ‘Bifilar’ wound (wrapped)’
page 10-2 in tech brief: ‘VIC Bifilar Wrap Coil-Assembly (10-3B) and VIC Dual Coil Wrap-Assembly (10-3A) both utilize’
Here is a simple diagram that shows it clearly based on what appears to be in the tech brief
Positive pulse goes through blocking diode
Positive pulse then hits one of the bifilar choke coils
This coil becomes NORTH charged at the end the diode is attached to
The positive pulse hits the positive outside tube
Positive pulse hits the water
Positive pulse potential hits the negative inside tube
Positive pulse potential hits the other choke coil wire connected to the negative tube making that end NORTH
Both wires are wrapped the SAME way. Meyer’s diagrams show the coil will be NORTH at the end of the positive potential.
The positive pulse then hits the negative side of the secondary transformer coil during the ON pulse
The positive choke has NORTH AT ONE END and the negative choke has NORTH AND THE OPPOSITE END. THESE FIELDS OPPOSE EACH OTHER.
Get more details at: http://www.energeticforum.com/energy
– comment 1 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : wiring shown may not be like this but if you have a bifilar choke, you can always switch wiring. one point Meyer says 11.6k ohms per choke… that is about 4500 feet long or more of 44 awg wire.. X 2 is a lot of wire. so make sure you build big chokes or your wasting your time if you really want to duplicate meyer.
– comment 5 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : forget the part in the diagram about the fields being opposed…that I believe changes on the negative side because of the wfc capacitor. but all else stay same. this is the DC resonance tesla talks about and not serial resonance with the cap like a tank circuit, which it is not (see the blocking diode)??
– comment 7 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : thanks, I wouldn’t have paid attention to it too much if it wasn’t for the people in the h2earth dot org skype chatroom. would just like to see all the experimenters doing it like this. the type of wire and specs on it are in the tech brief as far as type of wire, awg, etc… various specs on the core as well..possibly some air core. he sais the I frame core restricted amps the best.
– comment 8 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : If looking carefully at fig 10-3B, you can see that the direction the wires are coming off the coil when + is put through the diode and hits one of the choke coils, it will be North at that end. Most of his drawings show this. In figure 3-23, resonant charging choke #56 is drawn incorrectly (possibly)…it is wound different from everything else he shows.
# Transcription of Aaron youtube video ‘Water Fuel Cell – Gas | Stan Meyer Replication Free Energy’, added August 10, 2007: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pSFpBW8_v8o
Powerful Gas from Tap Water
Plastic pasta jar with stainless steel concentric tubes filled with tap water from my kitchen sink.
NO ADDED ELECTROLYTES.
Input power is pulsed 36 Watts (12 Volts at 3 Amps).
Producing enormous amount of powerful ‘Brown’s Gas’ Stanley Meyer style.
Built by Aaron Murakimi
For more info, visit … http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy
and http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radianth2o
– comment 6 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : The water at my kitchen sink comes from an aquifer. So whatever minerals are naturally occurring in the water is what I am using.
– comment 10 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : I will post later how to really see what Stan Meyer was doing and the Bedini circuits are the key to the whole thing.
# Aaron’s WFC Circuit:
# Aaron’s Cell Pictures from his album at imaaronhall’s photos http://s59.photobucket.com/albums/g307/imaaronhall/?mediafilter=all
# Aaron’s Posts about Meyer Bifilar, on Energetic Forum from file Aaron_meyer_bifilar.pdf
Energy The how to of free-energy technologies. Including Bedini, Stan Meyer and other circuits and more. Peter Lindemann projects and other info you won’t find anywhere else on the internet.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, 08-27-2007, 03:18 AM ; Stan Meyer Bifilar Chokes
The chokes, power coils, etc.. in Meyer’s circuits seemed to have always been very confusing to many people. More people today are understanding how the chokes were designed by simply reading the tech brief that has been under all our noses the whole time.
Several people in the The H2earth Institute – A Virtual Center of Excellence in Waterfuel Technology such as Josh and others are looking at this very closely. I was surprised to find so many ideas about how the chokes are designed considering the fact that the text descriptions and diagrams in the WFC tech brief are very, very clear.
Upon further examination, these are my comments, which may be right or wrong, I don’t know but they make sense to me
Here is the tech brief on the wfc by Meyer: (given internet address is uncomplete)
Below are a few tidbits from the tech brief on the bifilar, arrangement, purpose, construction, specs, etc…
Page 6-3:
“Resonant Choke Coils (56/62) of Figure (3-23) (Memo WFC 422 DA) are composed of 430F or 430FR inductance stainless steel film coated (hi dielectric value) wire (typically .004 Ga. or smaller) which are axially (spiralled) Bifilar wound about core bobbin (502), forming individual spiral-wrap (inner to outer circumference and being equally-length) coils (501a xxx 501n) electrically connected in sequencial order to form resistive pickup coil (503).”
[Figure 3-23: PULSING CORE CONFIGURATION, Meyer 190]
choke #56 is drawn incorrectly – they are wrapped in the same direction. I’ll get to that later.
[Figure 3-22: VOLTAGE INTENSIFIER CIRCUIT, Meyer]
from page 7-5:
Both Inductors (LI/L2) are Bifilar wound in equal length to optimize the electromagnetic field strength (FL) in equal electromagnetic intensity (FLI = FL2) to encourage and promote “Electron Bounce” phenomenon (700) of Figure (7-9) while adjusting (programmable pulse wave-form) input signal Pulse-Frequency (49a xx 49n) to “tune-in” to the “dielectric property” (Re) of water (85) … causing amp flow to be reduce to a minimum value while allowing voltage potential (627) of Figure (7-7) to go toward infinity if the electronic components would allow it to happen, as graphically illustrated in (750) of Figure (7-14).
[Figure 7-6: RESONANT VOLTAGE EFFECT, Meyer 670]
page 7-11:
“each choke-coil (LIIL2) being of the same impedance value since both coil-wraps (56/62) are Bifilar wound together onto a single spool-bobbin,”
page 10-1:
“The Amp Inhibiting Circuit (970) of Figure (10-1) as to (690) of Figure (7-8) is composed of two copper wires “Bifilar” wound (wrapped) about a magnetic induction core to allow amp restriction (minimizing current leakage) while encouraging “Voltage Potential”(Va xxx V n) across the water molecule to perform WFC “Electrical Polarization Process”, as so illustrated in Figure (7-1) WFC memo (426) titled VIC Matrix Circuit.”
[Figure 10-1: VOLTAGE INTENSIFIER CIRCUIT, Meyer 970]
page 10-2:
“VIC Bifilar Wrap Coil-Assembly (10-3B) and VIC Dual Coil Wrap-Assembly (10-3A) both utilize either “E”& I and “U” Inductance Core configurations to concentrate Mutual Inductance Fields (Rp l/Rp2) in order to optimize Amp Inhibiting Process (750) of Figure (7-14). “E” I core shape (10-3B) is most preferable since amp spike surge is minimize during repetitive pulsing operations.”
[Figure 10-3B: VIC BIFILAR-WRAP ASS’Y , Meyer ]
page 10-4:
“Increasing energy-yield (16/gtnt) still further (xxx 16/gtntnl+ 16/gtntn2 + 16/gtntn … etc.) is accomplished by increasing the number of Resonant Charging Choke Stages (xxx 56/62n + 56/62n 1+ 56/62n2 + 56/62n … etc. -S- xxx SS56/62n + SS56/62nl + SS56/62n2 + SS56/62n … etc.) of Figure (10-4) in “Sequential Order” ( -S-) since the total number of Multi-Coil Magnet bifilar coils (56/62a xxx 56/62n) serially electrically connected together are sequentially electrically linked to an equal number of serially electrically aligned Stainless Steel Resonant Coils (SS/56/62a xxx SS/56/62n) … allowing eachlboth bifilar coil assembly (56/62a xxx 56/62n -SSS56/ 62a xxx SS56/62n) to be electrically and magnetically energized in the same progressive direction toward Water Gap (Cp) and away from blocking diode (55) of Figure (3-34) as to Figure (10-1) and Figure (10-3) ‘” keeping amp-surge (inhibiting amp flow) to a minimal level [See Voltage Performance Graph (750) of Figure (7-14)] while enhancing Voltage Potential of Electrical Stress (64/RU-RU’a xxx 64/ST-ST’n) as additional Dual Choke Coils (56/62 _ SS56/62) are included in the stacked coil-array forming Voltage Intensifier Circuit (970) of Figure (10-1) as to (620) of figure (7-1) … see Dynamic Voltage Waveform (770) of Figure (8-1), once again.”
[Figure 10-4: DUAL-LAYERED MULTI-SPOOL CONFIGURATION, Meyer 1000]
above pic if only you want to put more bifilar chokes in series
pages 10-4 and 10-5:
“The magnet Coil-Wire (56/62) is best suited for Voltage inducement while the inductance/capacitance/resistance properties of Stainless Steel coil-wire (SS56-SS62) is appropriately used to restrict electron movement beyond the self-inductance of each energized coil when elevated voltage levels (up to beyond 40 kilovolts) are to be reached/obtained without experiencing any appreciable amount of “Amp Influxing.”
Generally, magnet coil-wire length is longer than the Stainless steel coil-wire length and magnet bifilar-coil (56/62) is placed on top of Stainless Steel bifilar-coil (SS56/62) to maximize mutual inductance coil-field (Rp2) (adding Rp1 +Rp2) of (690) of Figure (7-8) to cause coil capacitance (Cda xxx Cdn) to help maintain and even increase pulse voltage amplitude (xxx Vn + Vn 1 + Vn2 + Vn …. etc.) while the resistive value (Rs2) of SS Coil-Wire (SS56/62) performs the work of further resisting the flow of amps not inhibited by both self-Inductance fields (Rpl + Rp2), as so illustrated in (690) of Figure (7-8). In all cases, bifilar coils (56/62 – SS56/62) are electromagnetically orientated in the same direction.”
The above pic I drew shows the bare bones bifilar choke system. Top is the secondary transformer coil.
Output through blocking diode goes into one of the bifilar choke winds.
In figure 10-3B, it is easy to see that the direction the winds are coming off the core that when the positive hits that coil, north is at that side.
The potential follows through to the outside positive tube through water to negative inside tube.
Positive potential moves to the other bifilar choke coil (wound the same direction) meaning that north will be at THAT end (opposite of the north on the other coil) and through this coil and to the negative on power supply.
Both choke coils on the pos and neg tube create opposing magnetic fields against each other. On the on pulse, the pos side choke coil is north by the diode side and south by the pos tube side… the neg side choke coil is north by the tube side and south by the power supply neg. On the OFF pulse, they both reverse and also oppose each other.
In many diagrams in the tech brief, this exact configuration shows that the choke coils are in opposition at all times on the off and on pulse.
My picture shows the bare bone system without the electron extraction circuit (EEC) or any coils being tapped.
Meyer says that the I core (rectangle with line down middle) as shown in fig 10-3B is the best core for the choke since this configuration restricts amps the most.
More to come and comments and observations on the above very welcome…With Gratitude! Aaron Murakami
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, 08-29-2007, 05:53 AM ; core material
[…] if power coils wound on same core that means when that is off/on the magnetic field in core can also contribute to the bifilar resonant coils in addition to the the actual voltage potential over wires affecting chokes. Is that desireable? I don’t know at this time.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, 08-29-2007, 05:13 PM ; core material
[…] any non-ferrous metal like aluminum and copper for a core will create “eddy current” counter current drag and will slow down the frequency and will probably create a lot of heat. air, iron, magnetite, those are all good ones.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, 08-31-2007, 06:11 AM ; core material
There are some pretty exotic core materials like metglas and so forth but not practical because ridiculous pricing and so forth. For the Bedini coils, I’ve always used bundled steel welding rod. Much more efficient than solid core.
– jerdee, 09-01-2007, 03:12 PM ; More effecient Bedini coils.
Tesla would increase his inductance by connecting ends of bifilar or multi-coils in series. Have you tried this? This would further decrease current flow allowing only potential. This allows more effecient use of the same amount magnet wire to build a stronger magnetic field.
If you notice also in the beginning of the FEG book of Bedini (’84), you see the energizer coils in series. My thought is this increases capacity as well as significant potential to be released. With this in mind, make 10-3B as a quadfilar. Two or more strands opposing two or more strands with each opposing pairs in series.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, 09-02-2007, 02:41 AM ; Bifilar Comparison
I did this test last night so here is a comparison based on hands on real experiment. The one on left side gave almost twice the voltage pulse at the cap than the right one.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, 09-02-2007, 04:04 PM ; physical pic
here is a literal pic of what is represented in the left side of the comparison pic.
also to note the bifilar capacitance should be more than the wfc…so big bifilar chokes. but to experiement with concept can use any bifilar to see the left does give voltage boost.
– jerdee, 09-02-2007, 10:22 PM
I just did the same experiment this afternoon. I used one strand and two in series for blocking oscillation
along with two in series for power strands. In both cases, the oscillation was slower. This is not the best way to configure multicoils for the SS.
Whats interesting is the aligned fields of the Bifilar w/ wfc load in between creates a larger compressed potential of the LEM wave. When cathode is properly insulated or conditioned this should further the compressed potential LEM wave. This will cause a larger imbalance allowing the vacuum to interact freely. I have a strong feeling that the Lawton circuit should use a Bifilar or more coils instead of two independent inductors. I may be wrong. But from what I gather from Aarons experiment, the field must be aligned. The D12.pdf does not show this! Also, the Lawton circuit does not pick off the electrons furthering the imbalanced high-energy state of the atomic atom. We are only seeing on half of the picture here.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, 09-02-2007, 11:20 PM ; bifilar
I see a lot of “open source” projects that are anything but open source. Everyone seems to continually keep bits and pieces to themselves.
Meyer went from individual inductors to bifilar on same core. Definitely a stronger gradient created here.
(Follow a full transcription of Nikola TESLA patent on his BIFILAR FLAT COIL: see original document. )
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, Yesterday, 05:12 AM ; bifilar pulsing
One thing appears to be so and that is: during on pulse, cell + is hit with positive pulse. During off pulse, because of blocking diode, coil discharge goes in the SAME direction and doesn’t reverse polarity so the cell + it hit with a SECOND pulse of same polarity.
I found the same thing about 3-4 years ago with a single inductor on pos side and diode, discharge is in same direction…I got no reversal in polarity..it was same as initial pulse. I deduced it was as if the switch is open before inductor so it can only go find ground – towards cell.
Same gain as the flat pancakes? I don’t know. But if both coils are on 1 core, there will definitely be more strength in the field than 2 single coils. This is also a known with Bedini coils. 1 coil with 4 power wires is stronger than 4 individual coils. They all pulse together, there is a synergy and the sum is more than the parts. So, I would say in this geometry with these kind of coils, yes, there is a benefit.
page 7-1 in tech brief
VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make use of “Electron Bounce” phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect (628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 – 170) since Blocking Diode functions as an “Open” switch during Pulse Off-time;
The off pulse lets coil discharge towards the cap again so you get almost twice the bang for the buck. This seems to evidently help water cap prevent discharge by having that extra pulse keep the voltage up.
The open switch means that on the off pulse, it is the same as being disconnected so it has to go somewhere and finds its way to ground and the only way it can do that is by going towards the cell.
Switching Diode (55) of Figure (3-22) prevents Bidirectional electron flow (current flow in one direction only) since Blocking – Diode (55) only conducts “current flow” in the direction of schematic-arrow while being placed in-line with VIC Circuit impedance interaction (R1 + Z2 + Z3 .. Re), as mathematically extrapolated in Circuit Equation (Eq 9) … Diode (55) being placed between Secondary Pickup Coil (52) and Resonant Charging Choke (56) to act as an electronic switch in open-position during pulse off-time (T2) of Figure (7-8) while preventing electron flow in reverse direction when Inductor (L1) collapsing electromagnetic field (FLl) produces another unipolar pulse wave-form ( 64a – 64b) … producing unipolar voltage wave-form (64a xxx 64n) during repeated pulse-signal (46a xxx 46n) on-time (Tla xxx TIn) … allowing the formation of an gated pulse- frequency pulse-train (64a/64b – T3 – 64a/64b) when pulse off-time (T3) is greater than time-period (T2) … input-signal (49a xxx 49n) being a Pulse-Train where (T2) pulse offtime (T2) is adjusted to allows Unipolar Pulse-Train (64a xxx T3 xxx 64n) … outputting Voltage-wave signal (64a xxx 64n) being a pulse-frequency doubler due to Inductance Reactance (FL) of Inductor Coil (56) of Figure (3-22) when collapsing magnetic field (FI) of Figure (7-3b) re-cuts coil-wrap (Ll) during each pulse off-time (T2) … producing a second unipolar voltage wave-form (64b) during the rise and fall of magnetic field (71), as further illustrated in (620) of Figure (7-1).
MAN! He is long winded…
So we know
1. Diode keeps potentials and current in one direction only acting as switch to “disconnect” inductor from circuit on off pulse.
2. Diode is obviously between secondary and charging choke
3. Collapsing inductor causes UNIPOLAR pulse..so polarity stays same in the forward direction.
4. Collapsing unipolar pulse is “pulse-frequency doubler” so cell gets 2 pulses for 1 pulse input.
5. Sounds like when off time exceeds on time, off time is adjusted to ensure that the unipolar pulse train continues with consistency.
The first reference of bifilar in the tech brief on page 6-3 states:
“Resonant Choke Coils (56/62) of Figure (3-23) (Memo WFC 422 DA) are composed of 430F or 430FR inductance stainless steel film coated (hi dielectric value) wire (typically .004 Ga. or smaller) which are axially (spiralled) Bifilar wound about core bobbin (502), forming individual spiral-wrap (inner to outer circumference and being equally-length) coils (501a xxx 501n) electrically connected in sequencial order to form resistive pickup coil (503).”
Sounds like bifilars are definitely connected in sequence.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, Yesterday, 01:15 PM ; capacitance reactance
Try charging up a regular capacitor both ways and see the difference. The WFC will have lower impedance than a battery so less back pressure holding in the charge in the inductors. If the battery is fairly charged, maybe too much back pressure.
Sounds like the inductors you had are too small for battery application but maybe big enough for wfc.
Also, I saw a reference that the capacitance of the inductor should be more than the capacitor.
page 7-9 tech brief ; Capacitance Reactance
Capacitance Reactance is determined by the insulation resistance (Rs+ Re) and Inductance (LIIL2) interacting together during D.C. Pulsing. Dielectric property of water opposes amp leakage (Re) while another property of water takes-on an “Electrical Charge”. Water temperature (Rt) (cool-to-the-touch) keeps (Re) constant since amp flow remains minimal.
Plate Inductance (Lc) is Inductance Reactance of Inductor (L1 ) and Inductance Reactance of lnductor (L2) in series with Resonant Capacitor (140 -170) of Figure (7-6) as to (690) of Figure (7-8). In terms of Component Reactance, Inductors (LIIL2) should always be larger than Capacitor (ER) of Figure (7-2) in order to maximize amp restriction to enhance “Voltage Deflection” (SS’ – 617a xxx 617n – RR’) of Figure (7-4) and, is expressed by :
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, Yesterday, 01:51 PM ; VIC Pancake? I don’t think so!
I wondered if Meyer ever did the flat coil style for the chokes:
“The Voltage Intensifier Circuit is a bifilar pancake coil transformer which provides distributed capacitance and inductance to the tube sets in the Cell. Its function is to manage the transfer of potential through the Cell, while inhibiting the passage of current by the circuit.”
I see absolutely no proof of this claim. Probably idea for taking advantage of concept but…. That isn’t Meyer’s words, that is from some stuff posted at: OS:Water Fuel Cell – PESWiki
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page 6-3
“axially (spiralled) Bifilar wound about core bobbin (502), forming individual spiral-wrap (inner to outer circumference and being equally-length) coils (501a xxx 501n) electrically connected in sequencial order to form resistive pickup coil”
The resultant tri-coil configuration (Inductance core 53 – choke coils 56/62 – primary coil 26 – secondary coil 52), now, allows magnetic field coupling (71a xxx 71n) to pass through both resonant-coils (56/62) and secondary coil (52) simultaneously when primary coil (26) is pulsed energized by way of incoming pulse-train (46a xxx 46n). In doing so, magnetic flux-lines (71a xxx 7In) are induced into spiral-wrap coils (505a xxx 505n) to produce inductance coupling (511a xxx 51 In) between each secondary spiral-coils (505a xxx 505n) which are parallel formed to expanding magnetic flux-lines (71a xxx 71n) … producing step up voltage potential of positive electrical intensity (positive voltage potential) by way of inductance / capacitance interaction across secondary coil-assembly (52) while keeping opposition to electromagnetic build up to a minimum.
That means PRIMARY, SECONDARY AND BIFILARS (can be) on same core so they are wrapped around a core and not flat style. At least in this description. The tech brief is a compilation of just about all his chronological events.
7-4
The circular-spiral turns of wire (forming parallel electrical surfaces) is separated by an Insulated Dielectric Coating Material which forms a series of capacitors (Cda xxx Cdn) when magnetic flux-lines (619a xxx 619n) produces Electromagnetic Coupling Field (621) during pulse on-time (Tl), as illustrated in (640) of Figure (7-3) as to (690) of Figure (7-8).
10-2
The resultant Amp Inhibiting Circuit Figure (10-1) as to Figure (10-3 A/B) further allows amp restriction (minimizing current leakage) to be continued even if applied “Voltage Amplitude” is increased. The length and diameter size of the copper-wire spiral wrapped coil (56/62) of Figure (10-1) being paired together and electrically energized in conjunction with applied Voltage Pulse-Frequency determines how much “Amp Leakage” will occur across capacitor Gap (Cp) while “Voltage Pulse-Potential” (Va xxx Vn/49a xxx 49n) of “Opposite polarity” (B+/B-) is/are allowed to be applied across “Electrical Voltage Plates” (Voltage-Zones) (66/67). To reduce amp leakage still further, the copper wire of both Resonant Charging Chokes (56/62) can be replaced with an magnetically ~ductive stainless steel wire (430F/FR) having a resistive value (Ohms) to the flow of electrons while taking on the capacitance and inductance characteristic of a coil wire. VIC Bifilar Wrap Coil-Assembly (10-3B) and VIC Dual Coil Wrap-Assembly (10-3A) both utilize either “E”& I and “U” Inductance Core configurations to concentrate Mutual Inductance Fields (Rp l/Rp2) in order to optimize Amp Inhibiting Process (750) of Figure (7-14). “E” I core shape (10-3B) is most preferable since amp spike surge is minimize during repetitive pulsing operations.
Many examples he gives of primary/secondary and both inductors on same core. NOT pancake style…so misinformation by anyone who says it is?
When primary is pulsed ON, the magnetic field in the core that is created will cause the inductors to charge instantaneously and NOT just from the + potential moving into the inductors. It will be both. Also the OFF pulse inductive collapse moving forward is NOT just the from the inductors alone but the field created by primary coil turning off collapsing.
I think this is the direction to go… too many references by Meyer himself where all the coils are on the SAME core.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, Yesterday, 02:13 PM ; same core
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, Today, 04:55 AM ; Single Core Layout
This pic shows a literal representation of the unicore concept where the primary/secondary and the 2 chokes are on the same core.
If both are bifilar, then primary/secondary are wrapped together and the 2 chokes are wrapped together.
When + pulses into primary at the top into the light blue wire, the primary coil will have a NORTH field at the top…you can see how the wire comes off the core and are wound that there will be north at top so SOUTH at bottom of primary in this situation.
If secondary is wound together, the BOTTOM wire will need to go through diode to POSITIVE CHARGING CHOKE, which will give a NORTH field at the BOTTOM of the pos charging choke…like in the square coil.
The right diagram with the pole core is just a visualization easier of what is really happening with magnetic field in core.
Anyway, the charging pos choke will have south at top. The negative choke will have the identical field as the pos choke.
A BENEFIT of this arrangement and the only one that makes common sense is that when the primary is charged with north at top that follows around to the south part of charging chokes and up through the chokes and back to south on primary. so in the SQUARE coil diagram, you see that the magnetic field goes north in the CLOCKWISE DIRECTION.
Not only does the chokes charge from the potential going into the chokes from the secondary, BUT, they also get a kick from the magnetic field of the CORE being charged from primary will will give a BOOST to what is happening in the chokes. THIS AMPLIFIES THE CHOKES.
THIS IS ALL HAPPENING DURING THE ON PULSE.
When pulse turns OFF, charged chokes collapse in SAME DIRECTION because of blocking diode, which is the same thing as opening a switch and disconnecting the chokes there. Therefore, they will find ground in the FORWARD direction to “negative”on secondary.
During OFF pulse, primary also collapses and secondary directs that into the chokes also in the forward direction.
For each time you pay for ONE pulse into the system in this arrangement, you get TWO pulses to the WFC capacitor.
– Aaron, Energetic Scientist, Today, 12:59 PM ; core details
That is a great point about the coil being open in Bedini systems. So, the one on the right with the straight rod core may even be better. Only testing will show.
Kenny, I have not tested any common core systems yet. Just been looking exactly at what Meyer was doing and this seems to be it based on his own words.
If I were to do the one on the right with the straight open ended core, I would probably start with bundled welding rod…should let go of magnetic field pretty quick. That is all I used in the Bedini coils.
## Aaron, 25 September 2007, Bifilar Chokes are the Key http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=551&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
– crux_wfc (Aaron), Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:11 pm :
First off it’s nice to see so many people taking interest in the wfc now, and actually doing experiments. Sorry for not posting as often as I use to, but it is because of a good reason. I have been concentrating solely on the wfc lately and have realized a lot of very important details about the wfc. Sorry if I miss lead anyone to think that I have fully functioning and tuned wfc, but I do not. I am close, dead close, but still not quite there, yet.
Ok, first I am going to start off saying that Meyer’s used some energy. Meyer’s states in the tech brief that he uses 12Volts@3.3Amp =40w on the primary side of the step up transformer, and at the wfc he is using 40kv@1ma=40w, so TOTAL POWER USED IS 40 WATTS. You can also watch Meyer’s New Zealand lecture to verify this, witch Murray has so kindly embedded in the top right of his web site, witch I think is awesome, because it is Meyer’s most informative lectures and gives the most clues on the VIC construction.
Now back to the original topic of my post:
The chokes are what I have been solely working on and still working on. The formulas that Meyer’s give in his tech brief are so complex that I still have not completely figured them all out, but I have a good understanding of most of them especially after thoroughly reading the tech brief over and over again.
I have come to the conclusion that the chokes are the only part of the VIC that restrict the amps and keep the amperage at a minimum even when out of resonance. When you get the VIC in to resonance simply by tuning the frequency(no need to tune the chokes or cell) the voltage will over come the resistance of the VIC(meaning voltage will go to it’s maximum).
I believe this is the most important thing the understand and remember about the chokes; Meyer’s states in the New Zealand Lecture and the tech brief that the chokes are restricting the amperage using MAGNETIC FIELD, and any amperage that the magnetic field does not restrict the RESISTANCE will!
So now we know that magnetic field is the big player in stopping the amps and resistance is the next biggest player in stopping the amps. “Now you have to learn to ask the right questions”(one of my favorite quotes from Stan). So, how do we create the strongest magnetic field? This is were the bifilar coil comes in and your knowledge of inductor. I will get in to this in a little bit… So, how do you increase the resistance of the bifilar chokes and still comply to KISS and the law of economics? Well, since Meyer’s clearly states that stainless steel wire is NOT necessary to increase the resistance you just have to use smaller gauge copper wire.
Ok, now that you know my understanding of the chokes I will go in to more detail about its physical construction. I am not going to give you exact measurements because I have none yet. I am still working on this myself, but I have done some experiments to know that this is correct.
First I will explain the bifilar coil. The bifilar coil is wired to the wfc so that the coils will be electronically and magnetically oriented in the same direction (Meyer’s states this all over the tech brief). Meyer’s has a diagram with the chokes orientation (the dots at the end of the cokes north pole) on figure 7-1 on page 155 of the tech brief. I also included a diagram of how you connect the wfc to the chokes called “NEOGEN BIFILAR with wfc (this does not show the right physical construction of the chokes just how to connect it)”.
Now I will give you guys an idea on how much resistance and what size wire should be used for the chokes. Meyer’s states that 11,600 ohms per choke is a typically enough resistance to inhibit the amps. I am think about using 44awg wire to construct the chokes. Since 44awg is 2,593 ohms every 1,000ft (11600/2593=4.473*1000=4473) that would be 4,473ft of wire per choke. Now you might think that is a lot of wire to wind (lol, by hand yes it is.), but if you construct the chokes correctly you should be able to fit it all on, and Meyers states that the more wraps on the chokes the more voltage you will get out of them. Now you don’t have to stop at using 44awg wire, you could go smaller but it just get more difficult to work with. Sound like to small of wire huh? But it’s not because we just want voltage not amperage.
Last but not least the physical construction of the chokes. I am just going to point you guys to a couple of figures in the tech brief and just get you a little explanation on them.
First look at figure 10-4 on page 200. Figure 10-4 is actually two pictures in one. The skinny black wires are the schematic for the chokes (ignore all label on this schematic for how to connect the choke because it is very unclear and almost misleading). The Picture behind the schematic where the coils are cut in half so you can see the cross section of each section is how the chokes would be physically wound. Keep in mind it is still just a diagram so it is not the actual size of the wire nor the only amount of wraps you can put on each section.
Now look at figure 6-1 on page 135. I know this diagram can be really confusing, because you have to look through all of the magnetic field lines that Meyer’s drew. This diagram is also when Meyer’s was starting to refine his VIC to be compact and to cause instant explosive energy from the water (his spark plug injector), but it is not necessary to include the step up transformer for just making enormous amounts of gas, and still possibly causing instant explosion of water. This will give you a good idea about how to construct bobbin for the chokes. Notice how close the section are to each other.
Ok, last comment. Because the chokes are electronically and magnetically oriented in the same direction this means that the positive and negative will be aiding each other and causing about double the voltage. Meyer’s has a good diagram figure 10-5 on page 200 of what the voltage is doing at the end of the chokes.
IF THE CHOKES ARE NOT BUILT RIGHT THE WFC WILL NOT WORK RIGHT AT ALL. AMPS HAVE TO BE INHIBITED TO GET THE VOLTAGE TO GO TO MAXIMUM BECAUSE THE WFC ACTS LIKE A SMALL RESISTOR MORE THAN A CAPACITOR!
“the VIC allows the water to become a component part of the circuit as resistance” . Hope this helps you guys understand what I have learned. Good Luck to ALL!!!!
– Stanley_Meyers-Water_Fuel-Cell-Technical_Brief-FULL[1].pdf, 3.76 MB (the all 11 Memos) : http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/download.php?id=440
– this is a very good schematic of the chokes and electronic reactants minus the resistive properties. By JH:
original : JH-BifilarSpiralChoke.pdf, 18.36 KB : http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/download.php?id=442
## Aaron/Qiman13’s post on Resonance, Sept 10, 2004, page 15 from pdf file http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3079.0;attach=12355
Hi Gary, The definition of ‘resonance’ that I like is Tesla’s definition of resonance and it is this resonance that applies to these devices: The frequency at which the least amount of current is necessary.
Basically, the whole circuit is SYNCHRONIZED for optimal performance. When the circuit is in resonance, everything is synchronized optimally. Has nothing to do with the common idea of a resonant circuit. This includes every single component in the whole device … everything from the initial input to the water cell. Same applies to the battery charging device I’m talking about.
By ‘regular electrolysis’, I meant that it sounds like the gunk is coming from common current electrolysis. Not implying that there is an uncommon electrolysis. The most current test I did, I used a variable AC which has a 5Amps max and 150V max. Output through bridge and pulsed DC through a diode and that straight to my tube setup. This was only to test the cell. Without the inductor, current of course jumped up to 3-4Amps at only about 7Volts. When I put the inductor after the diode, I could crank it up to about 25Volts and the amps were only as low as about 400-500milliAmps. Just had to see for myself that this was happening.
Not charge batteries to overunity, but compared to the input joules and the work in joules I get out of the battery after it is charged … it is overunity! Nothing magical about it. It is because it is being charged with voltage potential … virtually no current is leaving the input source, only voltage potential. I can explain more details soon. The battery can be charged with wall AC or from another battery. Before the input battery dies (which it will at 98% efficiency), you can charge at least several batteries of the same capacity. That is because it isn’t taking power from the first battery and putting it into the secondary batteries. The input battery is ONLY sending a trigger pulse to a transistor that self oscillates at hogh frequency pulsing an electromagnetic coil that is a 1:1 ratio and the reverse wire catches all the potential spikes (NO CURRENT) and puts it into a capacitor. When the capacitor is up to a high enough voltage potential, it is dumped to a battery needing charging. You charge the battery with all that potential energy and NOT with current. Sound familiar with Meyer’s circuit doesn’t it?
Imagine this and you can all test it for yourself. Hit a capacitor at high frequency with nothing but the voltage potential spikes and it WILL charge up, however, there is no current moving. Sounds strange but I can go into details later. Just thry it and you will see. How can a capacitor charge up without current? That is what you’re all trying to do with the water cell. You’re charging it with pure voltage potential and NO current. Imagine having an input that is voltage potential spikes as well and no current … very very very efficient! I will share schematics soon.
I’m talking about pure radiant energy. Radiant energy ARE the voltage spikes you make. Those spikes are radiant energy with NO electrons. There is a small amount of current in these systems and that little bit is just enough to rip the molecules apart and it is pulsed so there is no steady current. On the collapse, all those molecules have access to a sea of potential radiant energy that have been pumped into it.
the radiant energy comes from vacuum energy. The virtual photon flux of the quantum mechanical vacuum. The dipole (battery, etc…) breaks the symmetry of the virtual photons and they move towards the pole on a battery and flow over the wire. The power to power a lghtbulb from a battery does NOT come from the inside of the battery. The electrolytes do ONE thing and ONE thing only. Separate thair internal charges to create a high and low potential at the electrodes. It is the vacuum energy form 3d space and time that move toward the electrodes and over the wires. This flow is what induces the electron movement to have current. That flow can be manipulated to move over wires in a way that induces NO electron movement, therefore there is NO current, only voltage potential moving over a circuit! Very exciting!
Meyer’s is an overunity system. If you calculate joules of energy that went into the system, that would be input joules. If you calculate the joules of work that a certain amount of produced gas can perform, it will dwarf the input joules. This is overunity, he isn;t going to come out and say it but it should be obvious to everyone. Hope this helps.
In a following post, page 19: … I am confident though about the concept of what Meyer was doing. Pumping radiant potential into the water with no current or at least a bare minimum. 4,798,661 patent has the schematic that is nearly identical to the one used for battery charging.
The coils I’m using are 1:1 turn. 12Volts in and the collapsed pulses are nothing but pure potential spikes of about 250-300 volts but virtually no Amps. Those are going through a bridge to charge a cap. When the cap is charged up, it is discharged into dead batteries. How can that be if the turns are 1:1? 1:1 is the most efficient coil for producing the radiant spikes that are devoid of electrons. …
(MDG no07: I remember reading about Stanley Meyer that met with John Bedini in the 80’s. Off course being in the same country, working both in the small world of ‘exotic’ energies, it was easy for them to come to discuss about the subject … Bedini was and still the leading expert that practicaly harnesses Radiant Energy in many ways, and I wouldn;t be surprised to discover that he taught a few tricks to Meyer, and that may explain the confusion in the differences of processing between patents of Stanley. Could it be possible that first he used the ‘potential breakdown level’ of his capacitor/cell, and then after getting breefing from John, he improved his system to harness Radiant Spikes. Also, his third stage of improvement, the ‘Nuclear Thermal Energy’, could come from meeting with David Hudson that discovered the ORMES, also in the 80’s, that are present everywhere, especially in water, and that have a potential of nucleus explosion, through the ‘maximum chagre breakdown level’ known to exist in superconductors … too much energy accumulated inside and they explode in a nuclear blast, as Hudson discovered… But have to say that this explosion produces dangerous gamma rays, when Meyer said there were none of them produced in his technology)
# Some posts extracted from http://www.icubenetwork.com, from a pdf file: (MDG nov07: Once more, ALL DETAILS WERE ON THE NET, FOR US TO UNDERSTAND, in this case since 3 years already, but we were still searching!!!)
This pdf covers Qiman13 posts from ‘Fri Sep 10, 2004’ to ‘Sun Mar 13, 2005’, for a total of 509kb, 81 pages.
– qiman13, Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:31 pm Post subject: Secrets of the Water Cell Explained!!!:
Hi Everyone, new to the board but have somethongs I want to bring to the surface. Below was posted in Dave’s Cell folder. I added more below that.
Hi Gary, what material is your plates or tubes made from? I use t304 steel tube setup and I get no gunk. The only thing that even appears to corrode are the non ss leads that connect to the positive tubes.
Also, if getting gunk, then most likely you are getting too much regular electrolysis. The idea is to prevent current from doing that. Therefore, no oxygen can go to your positive plates/tubes and oxidize them.
I’m new in the group and would like to tell you that I have a circuit virtually identical to SM’s. It was developed by someone that I have learned from over the years. It isn’t used to make fuel from water but is used to charge batteries overunity. I can post the schematics soon as appropriate. I also have other info to share if you’re interested.
The circuit is not a resonant circuit. The water doesn’t go into some magical resonance. The blocking diode should be telling you all something. No resonance (at least not the circuit). The voltage never drops to negative.
What is the difference between a transverse wave and a longitudinal impulse?
http://www.gmi.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html
and http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/sound/u11l1b.html
and http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/mmedia/waves/lw.html
3 very good basic examples. Unidirectional DC pulses are not transverse waves. They are longitudinal impulses. The whole secret is sending TIME IMPULSES to the water. What the goal is is to pump the water with radiant energy. This is nothing but pure voltage potential with no current. When it is done right, you can create the voltage potentials without ever inducing electrons to flow to begin with.
How? We’ll get to that. Imagine not having all the problems of having to restrict amps. I will be happy to share this with anyone who is serious. Let me know what you think.
I’ve observed in this board some comments I would like to comment on. I saw that someone mentioned that Meyer was flawed in saying the inductor increases frequency. That isn’t a flaw, of course it increases frequency when a pulsed input is put into it and there is a blocking diode. One pulse is given and it goes through the blocking diode, charges the inductor and gets to the cell with less amps. That is one pulse. When the pulse is cut off, the inductor collapses in the SAME direction because the blocking diode prevents it from going opposite polarity and this is pulse #2 going to the cell. You paid for one and got 2 pulses.
For example, lets just stick to straight wall cycle. 60hz going into the bridge to turn it into pulsed dc will be 120hz pulsed dc. Remember that there is one dc pulse for each half othe ac. 120 hz pulsed into the inductor will get 240hz at the cell. So, the freuency is increased by using the inductor. Of course we want higher frequency than this, but this is only for an example.
The secret is pumping radiant energy into the water and this puts it into a higher energy state. You’re swelling the water up with the Aether.
Each time a coil is given a pulse, there will be a certain volt and amp over a certain time. When the pulse is shut off, the collapsed SPIKE is pure voltage potential with no current. That is why it is virtually a straight line.
You’re converting work back into potential. The spike is time compressed energy…pure Aetheric potential or radiant energy. Think about it…you’re turning work back into potential. It is the radiant potential that you are wanting to pump into the water unidirectionally.
Frequencies are important but that is a case by case situation. Based on cell spacing, material of it, voltage, etc… there will of course be optimal frequencies for each system and they will all be different. It has nothing to do with a magical frequency that water will mysteriously separate at. There are frequencies that can do that but that isn’t what Meyer was doing I don’t believe.
It is essential to understand what energy is and that energy is NOT the capacity to do work, what electricity is and to realize that there is no such thing as electricity…electricity is truly an adjective to describe an event…where the source charge comes from and for example if you power your system with batteries, the charge does NOT come from the inside of the battery…it is important to understand what a dipole is and how a dipole gets a flow over wires. It is a myth that we don’t know where the source charge comes from. These things are really necessary to duplicate something but if you understand the above and a little more, it will be overwhelmingly obvious what Meyer was doing. It is obvious he didn’t know but he still got results.
The patents are there to give the concept, not the actual working model. Same as the xogen patents. It will not work using the exact same circuit and input of 12v, etc… that shows the concept of what they are using but that doesn’t mean their working models are that same circuit.
For example, the battery charging method I’m using for overunity gain…this is how to measure it. measure the joules of input energy from the input source over a given time. When the battery is charged, power a resistive load (light bulb) from it and measure the joules being used to light that bulb until the battery is back down to the voltage that it was before charging. The joules will be more than what left the input source. This is overunity. Hundreds of % in fact and up to a few thousand is possible without a doubt.
This is what the fakes out there want you to measure: Well lets measure the input and hook meters to the output of the circuit and measure that hundreds of volts, etc… that is all BS. The ONLY honest way to test this kind of thing is measuring WORK. Measure work in and then measure usable work AFTER the battery is charged. You can’t directly measure potential like this with devices becaue there aren’t any devices that can measure pure Aether. The devices we use …. and this is important… only measure wasted energy. They all want to hook the output of the circuit back into the input source (battery) or whatever and have it run itself. That is ridiculous…that closes the loop and kills the dipole. Anyway, this is my 2 cents.
There is one book that spells out word for word what Meyer’s is doing, what Gray did, etc… that is chapter one on Tesla in this book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0932813801/yokotahighschool
That book was used as a Rosetta stone to cracks Grays patents and therefore revealed some of Teslas secrets.
– qiman13: Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:58 pm Post subject: correction:
I meant to say that it is NOT necessary to know about what a dipole is, etc… to make the things work. It is only necessary to easily see what Meyer and other were doing.
– Murray, Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:04 am Post subject:
Hi Qiman, I converted the international news release briefings by Stanley A Meyer on the water fuel cell to PDF and laserline has uploaded them for all to see. thanks mate: http://www.icubenetwork.com/files/watercar/non-commercial/stanley_meyer/
worth a read. Murray
Imagination is more important than the knowledge. The knowledge is limited and the imagination is not. (Albert Einstein)
– Murray, Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 4:34 am Post subject:
I thought this was interesting and has some relevance. refer to links : http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/5322/ind-kick.htm
Quote: It is possible to step-up voltage without using a transformer. The property of an inductor to build up a high counter-electromotive force (cemf) can be used to flash gas discharge tubes and light neon bulbs and small tubes from very small batteries. All you need to do is connect a fairly large inductor (.5mH or higher works best) in parallel to the bulb or tube and then attach the inductor to a square wave pulse generator. The result should be the tube or bulb glowing, sometimes very brightly depending on the inductor used, the input voltage/current, pulse rate, and the bulb or tube characteristics. It is important to have the neon bulb, etc. lighting, if it doesn’t the cemf will come back to the output transistor and possibly ruin it. When the bulb is glowing the gas is a low resistance, therefore shorting the cemf. The bulb or tube you use will also protect the rest of the circuit. For the pulse generator, a low frequency 555 timer circuit or signal generator will do. Experiment with the inductor, I have gotten neon bulbs to give off almost white light.
also this is some good info on the dc resonate charging circuit : http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html#resonant
I am with you! and have came to very similar conclusions, now we just have to prove it. Murray
– Gary, Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:57 am Post subject:
Hi Guys, that “richieburnett” link above in Murray’s post explains the dc resonant charging circuit very clearly, leaving no room for misinterpretaion at all.
Qiman, you can see that the frequency is NOT doubled, but the dc supply voltage across the capacitor is! You can see what Meyer was trying to achieve with this, doubling the supply voltage pulses while the inductor naturally limits the current – it even shows the step charging sequence. This explanation of the circuit is far, far better than anything Stan ever wrote in his wild babblings.
The blocking diode simply serves to stop the capacitor discharging in the opposite direction through the inductor once the capacitor is fully charged.
As I see it, the flaw with this circuit when applied by old Stan to his wfc is that of course, the wfc is NOT much of a capacitor, more of a resistor.
Pure water makes a great dielectric, with a dielectric constant of around 80 and a breakdown voltage in the order of thousands of volts per mm, but tap water conducts very well as we all know. Just 240v mains provides a very healthy current – or unhealthy if you happen to be in the bath when the hair dryer drops in!!!
Having said all that I intend to play about with the dc resonant charging circuit and do some proper tests as it might be there is enough of a capacitance to still provide a substantial step charging effect. I don’t really expect this to be the case tho as the resistance offered by my electrode set up is at best much less than 1 ohm!
However, I find that putting things actually into practice often throws up info, ideas and insights that don’t always reveal themselves on paper. All the best
– qiman13, Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 1:40 pm Post subject: What a dipole really is:
Gary, I can understand your explanation of charge carriers, etc… Let me ask you this…when you measure voltage…what are you measuring? Electron charge or voltage potential? They are two totally different things.
First of all, where does the source charge come from? Isn’t that the big mystery with “electricity?” We all are told and we can all observe what this mysterious charge does but no textbook can explain where it comes from?
I believe it is cruicial to understand what a dipole is. Of course it is something with two poles. If the poles have a balanced potential, there is no movement possible. I think we can agree on that. If one potential is higher and one lower, then there is obviously movement capability. I think we can agree on that too. Now, lets look at the most common dipole that we use all the time. A battery.
It is claimed that the electrolytes in a battery create some chemical reaction that produces an electrical charge and this electrical charge is what goes out of the battery and over the wires and powers whatever is connected to the battery. This would of course be a bare bones explanation of what a battery is. Is this really what is happening?
It is important to understand what the Aether is. Michaelson/Morlay spelling?? have already been disproven long ago. They have also been proven to have miscalculated what they were doing when they “proved” there is no Aether, which is absolutely ridiculous. So in fact, there is an Aether just as Einstein predicted. In fact, the Aether does exist as Tesla knew way before and at a much higher level than Einstein ever did.
We know that there is unlimited vacuum energy…infinite potential available in 3d space and time. It is everywhere and we are immersed in it like a fish is in water. When I say vacuum, I’m not talking about a tube with atmosphere sucked out. All space is literally the vacuum. It is a misleading word because it causes people to think it is empty when the opposite is true. In essence, more accurately, it is a Plenum (having an infinite abundance).
Mathematically, E.T. Whittaker showed in 1903 the unlimited potential available. In conventional physics/math, what they all show the potential to be is this: take a cup and scoop out a cup of water from a flowing river in a moment in time. That is what they call the potential? That is totally nuts! What about the rest of the infinite river? That has caused so many problems it isn’t even funny. The basics of these physics and math are so fundamentally flawed, they are useless when dealing with devices that do no operate according to manmade self-proclaimed “Laws.” http://www.cheniere.org/misc/Whittak/ORIw1903.pdf
Now, we are immersed in a sea of energy…then what? This sea of energy is filled with virtual photons – called virtual because as soon as they are there, they instanly dissapear. So they are in a state of flux…popping in and out and ridiculous speeds. Perhaps they are traveling like a mobius strip..1/2 here and 1/2 there, whereever that may be. Anyway, by the fact that they have a positive charge, there must be a virtual negative charge as well for obvious reasons. How do we tap this energy? We do it all the time and don’t even know it.
When you have a battery with electrolytes, the electrolytes do ONE thing only. That is to separate internal charges so that + is on one side and – is on the other side. Each terminal on a battery is connected of course to each side of the electrolytes by connections. The terminals will be + and -. That is a potential difference and that is what makes a battery a dipole. The electrolyte charges that were separated are NOT the charge carries of some mysterious charge that goes out the battery to power something. That is a myth. They only establish a dipole.
Now that we have a dipole, then what? The vacuum energy is very symmetrical in nature. Pretty much the same throughout in all directions (generally). With a battery – a dipole – sitting inside of 3d space and time where this Aether or vacuum energy is, the symmetry of the photon (different from regular light photon that we see) energy is broken. One polarity of the Aether goes to one pole and the opposite to the other pole. If nothing is connected to the battery, the Aether radiates outward spherically in all directions at the speed of light.
If a light bulb is connected to the battery, you close the circuit. The Aether at the + terminal flows over the wire towards the – terminal and induces the electrons to flow that pile up at the filament of the bulb and turn to photons that radiate out as light. There is ALSO the opposite polarity flow that goes out the – terminal towards the + terminal butting heads against the flow. This is what breaks apart the electrolyte charges so that the strength of the potential difference of the electrolytes get less and less. This is what kills the battery because the loop was closed and the circuit is caused to kill its very own dipole. It was not killed because some mysterious charge was used up in the battery.
This flow is called the Poynting flow usually designated a j-phi I believe. Heaviside also knew of this flow but he actually got the vectors right. I’m please to see that Dave understand Heaviside. Also, the amount of flow that goes over the wires…only 10 to the -13th power (1/11trillionths) of it gets diverged into the wire to move electrons to the surface from the copper atoms 3rd electron field. Imagine that!
Every atom is literally a perpetual motion device. Where do you think the electrons get the energy potential to sustain their perpetual motion? Look at the mass of the electron, it sure wasn’t given some incredible push that keeps it in motion. It is sustaining by interacting with the Aether.
Once something is set into motion, it will stay in motion unless it is acted upon by something else. This literally permits perpetual motion.
It never said that once something is in motion that it will stay in motion until something acts on it, which most definitely will happen.
Anyway, overunity doesn’t have to have a single thing to do with perpetual motion. Anyway, That is where the flow comes from to light a light bulb and NOT some charge carriers inside the battery. I don’t blame you for your explanation of that because that is in fact what is taught. Does that mean that they are correct? They first tell you that is what holds the charge and turn around and tell you it is a mystery where the source charge comes from.
Take a bathtub, fill it up and put a plug in the hole. It is all nice and symmetrical. pull the plug…make a potential difference and the water goes towards the hole and down the pipe. You broke the symmetry of the water. This is EXACTLY where the battery gets its source charge from except not a pipe..flowing over a wire at light speed while the electrons that are induced into movement only move at inches per hour literally!
You can read Lee and Yang’s presentation speech as they were given the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1957. http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1957/index.html
“for their penetrating investigation of the so-called parity laws which has led to important discoveries regarding the elementary particles”
It is because of their work that we understand that a dipole breaks the symmetry of the Aether. That is where the source charge comes from and not electrons.
The Aether moves like a gas under pressure. It is a conductive gas that is conductive to + and -. If you have a battery and you put a voltmeter on it, you get a volt reading. 12vdc for example. That reading has nothing to do with a charge in the battery. When connecting the leads to the meter, the Aether flows to the terminals and over the wires on the meter and that induces electron flow in that circuit. You are literally taking a pressure reading of the gas. Voltage is nothing more than the pressure of the flow of the Aether over wires. It has NOTHING to do with electron charge.
To clarify, a battery can be charged with hot current..electron current and you will have electrons piling on plates. You CAN also charge a battery in a superior way by charging it with cold current, which is void of electrons. This is a fact. The battery never warms and either does the circuit charging it.
Likewise, you can charge a cap with hot current or electron flow and those pile on the plates. Depending on the potential difference between the plates because of the electrons you will get a potential difference. That is true.
However, you can charge a cap with “cold electricity”, which is void of electrons by spiking the cap with PURE VOLTAGE POTENTIAL and NO ELECTRONS and the cap WILL charge up. The pressure of the aether here is what is measured when using a voltmeter. It is not measuring a potential difference between plates on the caps based on electrons on one plate. You can charge the cap both ways. One, you will have a cap that will be warmed up and one will be room temp.
Think about this. You have a little bitty battery and you have a monster battery. They obviously would have an enormous difference in the amount of charge if it was like the establishment teaches. Both batteries can read 12volts brand new. Therefore, it is not really measuring a charge at all because if it was, the bigger the battery, the bigger the charge and the reading would be higher. We know that is not the case.
I hope this clarifies what voltage potential really is and what a dipole is and what the voltage is NOT. This understanding jeopardizes oil money as it has all along. Remember, Morgan said to Tesla…that’s nice Mr. Tesla, but where do we put the meter? They want everyone to believe energy must be a non-renewable consumable and have everyones mindset tuned to scarcity and lack of instead of abundance.
– qiman13, Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2004 3:46 pm Post subject: inductor frequency:
My understanding may be off on this. I’ll put a scope before the blocking diode and check the frequency and put one after the inductor. I guess that will be the easy way to really tell what the difference is in frequency if any at all.
If the frequency is not increased after the inductor, that means the collapsed field is seamless with the initial applied pulse. I find that hard to believe but maybe that is what is happening.
If that is what is happening, that means there may be a steady DC flow to the water cell and that means that no matter what frequency you put to the water cell, there will be only steady dc if the inductor is not giving a separate pulse on the collapse. If it is seamless.
Another possibility is that on the applied pulse,the water gets hit. When the pulse is off, the inductor collapses seamlessly at the end of the initial pulse so the pulse given to the water is longer than the initial pulse by itself and the voltage goes up. When the collapsed pulse is done, then another applied pulse comes and does the same thing so the frequency wouldn’t increase but yes the voltage would.
– qiman13, Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:57 pm Post subject: inductor test:
Gary,
I read page 1-1 in Meyer’s book. First line “Using VOLTAGE POTENTIAL.” I think nothing else is necessary to read in that book. Iwill though. That is the whole secret. That is time impulses, which are unidirectional dc longitudinal impulses. That is what POTENTIAL is. All his info is only about how he is creating voltage potential to pump into the water. If you know what voltage potential is, you got it.
If electrons pile on plates and this makes the difference between the other plate and this is what the voltage is. Please explain this. With X amount of volts and X amount of amps going into the water cell, you’re going to get X amount of electrons piling on one side. However, when putting an inductor after the blocking diode, you can get a higher voltage with less amps. The inductor reduces the electrons in the cell but the voltage can be higher?
The voltage is not directly tied to electrons on the plates. Doesn’t this simple thought experiement show that voltage doesn’t have to have anything to do with a certain amount of electrons on a plate that has a certain socalled “charge?”
On page 1-2, Meyer says the LC circuit “tuned” to resonance @ certain frequency… This doesn’t have anything to do with LC resonance. This is what he means: Based on a given cap and a given inductor, there will be a certain frequency that the whole system will operate at “peak effieiency” meaning that at that frequency, the minimum amount of current is used meaning the minimum amount of electrons. That would be EXACTLY Teslas definition of resonance. For a given cap and inductor, there will be a frequency that minimum amount of amps is used. To see what the resonant frequency is for a given setup. Monitor amps input.
Turn the frequency up and down. Whatever frequency the amps is at minimum going to the cap from the inductor, that IS your resonant frequency and will be different for everyones setup.
– qiman13, Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:50 pm Post subject: inductor test:
I got results that were unexpected. The frequency was not increased after the inductor that I used. The interesting thing was that the voltage remained identical. However, it was negative spikes on the output of the inductor of the same voltage.
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# Aaron/Qiman13 youtube video added on September 06, 2007, 4.04 minutes, ‘WFC White Powder Coating from Conditioning’: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rx2uEsbTt8Y
– comment 1 by overunitydotcom (http://youtube.com/user/overunitydotcom) : Qiman, many thanks for this very intesting video, all please also come to: overunity dot com/index.php/topic,3265.0.html to discuss this topic. Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.
– comment 2 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : forgot to mention in vid but during conditioning, I set the variac at certain setting. I monitor volt and amps hitting cell. over couple hours voltage is about same but amperage drops by couple hundred ma’s and gas production is same. So this shows that there is little by little more resistance to current over time. that is why amps drop backwards from more calcium coating.
– comment 3 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : To speed up this conditioning process, I’m going to add calcium hydroxide. You can get it at pet/fish stores for adding calcium for marine life. It may be known as “kalkwasser powder”. It is also known in hardware stores as “hydrated lime” or “slaked lime” or just “lime.” I’m going to add some and run some good amperage through the cell to see if I can get a thicker coating faster. Once it is to my satisfaction, then I’ll switch to the voltage potential circuits.
– comment 4 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : I used tap water from my kitchen sink and no added electrolytes. If you look in the bottom of a hot water kettle, you will see quite a bit of white scaling. That is calcium and other minerals.
– comment 5 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : yes, there can be where the gap gets too small. in normal electrolysis cells where sea water for example can be used, it builds very, very, very thick. then you have to add a “precipitate” to knock that stuff off. then it is ok. when using higher amps, you really get the coating desirable to get a good coating. then switch to the voltage potential circuits without current and you won’t have the amperage to cause more coating so you’re good to go.
– comment 6 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : there may be some but with only voltage potential it builds so slowly that shouldn’t be a problem for a long time. if it is ever a problem. just switch polarity on cell for a bit and you will see the cathodes (used as annodes positive when switched) will repel the calcium oxide into the water and you will have lot of white flakes floating in water then the settle on the bottom. just do long enough to get the layer down to desired thickness. then switch polarity to normal and good to go.
– comment 7 by qiman13 (http://youtube.com/user/qiman13) : that is the BEST way to reduce thickness if that is ever a problem. I have done this just to see what happens and the coating will repel.